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As a disinterested party (i.e. would never use the software) but interested in GUI design, my 2c
The tabs in the control layer seem to be ok , not too many of them and the contents look like they're obviously related - but I can imagine a user having to switch between tabs frequently while they play around with colours.
You seem to have two panels headed 'select Paint System' on the General tab, which may be confusing
Personally, looking at the form layout, I would probably make each of the user controls (for I assume that's what they are) collapsible and and re-positionable, and have only one tab (plus maybe the info tab - you don't show that in the screen shot so can't tell)
That way the user can collapse any controls they don't want to see, and drag controls to the top for those they do want to see and use 'right now'
You could also allow them to be re-sized, avoiding the need for scroll bars on some of them...
Then if you wanted to be flash you could have them dockable - so the user could drag them out into their own windows...
It'd make a nice article too - generic dockable sortable collabsible and draggable user controls...
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_Maxxx_ wrote: The tabs in the control layer seem to be ok , not too many of them and the contents look like they're obviously related - but I can imagine a user having to switch between tabs frequently while they play around with colours.
That would only be an issue on the advanced form, but it I don't see a resolution to that.
_Maxxx_ wrote: You seem to have two panels headed 'select Paint System' on the General tab, which may be confusing
The "General" tab is on the simple form, and I simply couldn't think of a better name for it since it holds ALL of the controls on a single tab that had to be broken into different tabs on the advanced form.
The idea is that they will either use the advanced for or the simple form, but not both. In fact, each form is its own version of the same thing.
_Maxxx_ wrote: Personally, looking at the form layout, I would probably make each of the user controls (for I assume that's what they are) collapsible and and re-positionable, and have only one tab (plus maybe the info tab - you don't show that in the screen shot so can't tell)
I can't make them collapsible because one of the tab pages has so many (large) controls on it that they wouldn't fit in the space available.
_Maxxx_ wrote: Then if you wanted to be flash you could have them dockable - so the user could drag them out into their own windows...
To be honest, I was considering making the weapon panel (the panel that shows the environment image with the weapon overlay) a floating window, separate from the controls, but I figured that if someone was already complaining about the size of the app, it wouldn't make much sense to go through the hassle of tying the two forms together.
Thanks for the input. Even though I essentially shot down all your ideas, it gave me stuff to think about, and that's a good thing.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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I followed the link to your v.2. screen-shots, when I downloaded the program I got version 1.0.1.1, which has the older interface.
I couldn't comment on the v.2. interface without having a chance to use it.
But, I'm certainly in no hurry 
best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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v1.0.1.1 is the latest version available to users. Version 2.0 is under development, and link merely shows screen shots.
BillWoodruff wrote: But, I'm certainly in no hurry
Is that because 1.0 seems to be good enough, or because 1.0 sucks so bad that you're assuming v2 must be even worse.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Is that because 1.0 seems to be good enough, or because 1.0 sucks so bad that you're assuming v2 must be even worse.
Well that's a question puts me between the Devil and the deep blue sea
The answer is: none of above: I'm just curious to see how your new interface works in action. I like to try things before I make comments.
best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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Hi All,
I know there are a lot of people over here who have a diverse set of knowledge.
Why not we collaborate and start some C/C++ tools/application development that can benefit us and others also.
We can list out our skills, what tools are required and go about developing it and posting it out in CodeProject.
Please let me know your views on this.
~Thanks
Shakti
India, Bangalore
I am experienced in C/C++.
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How about democraticly ruled company?
If you have an idea on what to do, or have a free time to spend with us, please let us know. Maybe, with your help, somewhere in the future we could have a good plan. If you are enthusiastic enough, here is the link: http://peeramid.org/peeramids/free-programmers
tx :}
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As those of you that have looked at it already know, the software isn't very complicated or extensive. There are only two windows in the app. If you have just 30 minutes to spend on a new release (if it even requires that much time) every few days or so, the next statement is for you.
Being programmers yourselves, you look at stuff that "normal" folks don't, and in different ways. I want to tap into that. If you would like to become an official tester, send me an email with your email address so I can send you the particulars. The testing period will continue until there's a reasonable level of instability in the program (after all, I don't want to make Microsoft nervous by doing any more than they've done with VS2010).
So, if you're up for it, email me.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Just gave it a run[^], got a few points to nag about;
- C/W Rotate, Flip & Mirror-buttons "hide" the weapon.
- There's no exception logged *)
- It'd be nice to see the version number (1.0.0.4) somewhere on the form. **)
- Why can I edit the items in the dropdown-lists?
- When starting, the filename textbox is disabled but it still has a tabstop.
The taborder is correct, I can navigate the app without using the mouse. I'd love to see some keyboard-shortcuts though.
Quite nice
--edit;
*) would help in finding exceptions during this test phase. Would be ideal if there was a button that'd email it to you automagically.
**) it'd really helpfull to have the version-number on each screenshot. You could include it in the title-bar, or as a small label on the form. It helps, a tiny bit.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
modified 8 Oct '11.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
C/W Rotate, Flip & Mirror-buttons "hide" the weapon.
Fixed.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: It'd be nice to see the version number (1.0.0.4) somewhere on the form.
Fixed (I put it in the title bar).
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Why can I edit the items in the dropdown-lists?
Fixed.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
When starting, the filename textbox is disabled but it still has a
tabstop.
Fixed.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: I'd love to see some keyboard-shortcuts though.
This one may come later, but while I'm here, would you just like to bring up that the moon itself hasn't been included in the app?
I'll be uploading a new version tonight.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Fixed (I put it in the title bar).
Nice; it'll help when you get a screenshot
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: This one may come later, but while I'm here, would you just like to bring up that the moon itself hasn't been included in the app?
Hehe 
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'll be uploading a new version tonight.
Cool, will be checking it soon.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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A quick spin[^] on the Linux' machine;
Everything seems to work, flipping and rotating a monochrome image, with the exception of the "Advanced" button.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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What's wrong with the advanced button? Doesn't it display the Advanced Viz form?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: What's wrong with the advanced button? Doesn't it display the Advanced Viz form?
No, it exits the application.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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http://www.paddedwall.org/guns/camopicker.aspx[^]
Download link is at the bottom of the page.
EDIT =======================
The following items will be in tonight's build (sometime around 4:30pm US central time):
0) I remembered that I added some colors to the Duracoat paint system item, and because I didn't have the actual color values at the time, they'll all show up as white. I've since added the actual color info.
1) Currently, if you turn off all weapon layers in the advanced vis form, it will render a completely blank image. While there's really nothing wrong with that (because at least the app doesn't crash as a result - grin), I modified the code to at least produce the select weapon's outline.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
modified 4 Oct '11.
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will download once at home and give it a whirl or two. 
Just along for the ride.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: The website states that the App is open source, but I couldn't find a
download-link (yet).
It's not done yet. When it is, there will be an article here.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: I tried the new version on OpenSUSE, as the assemblies are binary compatible.
It runs[^], but it has trouble finding the weapons. I'm assuming that
there's some path-concatenation going wrong, but there's no exceptions.
It's just the weapons? It finds everything else okay?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: It's not done yet. When it is, there will be an article here.
Should have been able to guess that the source would be accompanied by an article
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: It's just the weapons? It finds everything else okay?
It's not complaining, and works up to step 5. I can't visualize a weapon, which means that step 6 doesn't become enabled. I'm not sure whether it's the weapons or not, just that it doesn't show it when asked. It'd be the first guess, taking the path-separator and the case-sensitivity of the filenames in account. Does it leave a log-file? Haven't checked if you we're logging the exception, might have something useful.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: but it has trouble finding the weapons
I bet the Linux filesystem is case sensitive... That might be the problem. I'll fix that in time for this evening's upload.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Checked it out this morning. I like.
Observation
Simple visualization button, when clicked, changes the weapon back to the default AR-15. So, if I work with the 1911 in advanced visualization and carry it back to the main form, to work with it there it won't stay as the 1911 if I click the simple visualization button.
Question
Is it possible to select the weapon on the main form and then that becomes your weapon for the entire application until you select another weapon?
It's 4:14am here in New York and I am still asleep. Hope I made some sense.
Again, great stuff here John.
Just along for the ride.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
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Slacker007 wrote: Observation
Simple visualization button, when clicked, changes the weapon back to the default AR-15. So, if I work with the 1911 in advanced visualization and carry it back to the main form, to work with it there it won't stay as the 1911 if I click the simple visualization button.
By design. Simple visualization affords you no options other than the selection.sequence of colors and forces the use of the default weapon template. It you want to use another template, you have to go advanced.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: By design.
Roger.
I guess my question was more geared to giving the user the ability to see various weapons, in the user selected color pattern, on the same landscape image without having to jump between windows.
I will check it out more at home tonight and tomorrow.
Just along for the ride.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
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Okay - I added a button on the advanced vis form that allows the user to select any of the available weapons as his default. That way, when he clicks the simple button, he'll get the current default, and that will also be the default weapon shown in the advanced form when he opens it (unless another one has already been chosen but not made the default).
It will be made available this evening.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
modified 5 Oct '11.
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